Comments on: Give .NET a Break http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/ Everyone needs a hug. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:42:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: kevin http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21841 kevin Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:12:39 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21841 <p>i'm a .net/c# developer focusing primarily in asp.net (vs windows).</p> <p>I've been enjoying using the SubSonic framework (subsonicproject.com) which essentially brings Ruby On Rails -esque development efficiency to the asp.net wold. I will say, it' has made developing in asp.net fun again.</p> <p>If you want to read an interview with the creator of Subsonic - check out Juxtaviews.com</p> <p>You can also check out my blog for some SubSonic tutorials over at scribesonic.com</p> i’m a .net/c# developer focusing primarily in asp.net (vs windows).

I’ve been enjoying using the SubSonic framework (subsonicproject.com) which essentially brings Ruby On Rails -esque development efficiency to the asp.net wold. I will say, it’ has made developing in asp.net fun again.

If you want to read an interview with the creator of Subsonic - check out Juxtaviews.com

You can also check out my blog for some SubSonic tutorials over at scribesonic.com

]]> By: Lance E. Leonard http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21805 Lance E. Leonard Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:40:31 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21805 <p>Whats wrong with "selecting the right tool for the job?" I currently develop and support Ruby on Rails, PHP and .NET. Each has its own place in my toolbox and I choose each according to the requirements of the job. You may say that each could be interchangeable, and in most cases, this is true. However, in the real world, it isn't. The whole open-source vs MS thing is so overplayed, I don't even feel like addressing it.</p> Whats wrong with “selecting the right tool for the job?” I currently develop and support Ruby on Rails, PHP and .NET. Each has its own place in my toolbox and I choose each according to the requirements of the job. You may say that each could be interchangeable, and in most cases, this is true. However, in the real world, it isn’t. The whole open-source vs MS thing is so overplayed, I don’t even feel like addressing it.

]]> By: Neil http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21626 Neil Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:40:39 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21626 <p>I'm a PHP developer currently working in C#.NET and I see very little difference in the development process. Anyone who has spent a significant amount of time working with PHP will almost invariably begin to work in an object oriented fashion. Visual Studio is very good for an IDE, but if you test early and often in PHP then things like breakpoints and debuggers become almost moot.</p> I’m a PHP developer currently working in C#.NET and I see very little difference in the development process. Anyone who has spent a significant amount of time working with PHP will almost invariably begin to work in an object oriented fashion. Visual Studio is very good for an IDE, but if you test early and often in PHP then things like breakpoints and debuggers become almost moot.

]]> By: Kin Lane http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21553 Kin Lane Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:24:54 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21553 <p>I am always interested in hearing everyones comments on which language to choose. I have been a Microsoft Developer for 8+ years....most recently with .NET. i like the language / platform it has its benefits.</p> <p>However recently I was determined to get my feet wet with Open Source Development with PHP / MySQL and Ruby and Linux...just to get a taste.</p> <p>I agree with Simon about some of his points about licensing and community.</p> <p>I have always thought Open Source were just mean in the way they treated me when I said I was a Microsoft Developer, but recently experienced my first flaming by a team of .NET developers for choosing Open Source for a project.</p> <p>So I think there are pros and cons to each platform, ignorant people in both camps, and it is ultimately your personal choice that should be based upon your project goals.</p> I am always interested in hearing everyones comments on which language to choose. I have been a Microsoft Developer for 8+ years….most recently with .NET. i like the language / platform it has its benefits.

However recently I was determined to get my feet wet with Open Source Development with PHP / MySQL and Ruby and Linux…just to get a taste.

I agree with Simon about some of his points about licensing and community.

I have always thought Open Source were just mean in the way they treated me when I said I was a Microsoft Developer, but recently experienced my first flaming by a team of .NET developers for choosing Open Source for a project.

So I think there are pros and cons to each platform, ignorant people in both camps, and it is ultimately your personal choice that should be based upon your project goals.

]]> By: David http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21548 David Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:36:02 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21548 <p>It has been a while since I have done PHP, but isn't the code inline with the markup? I didn't think it was event driven and therefore the code could not be placed in a separate file.</p> <p>With the little research I have done on the subject, the people who are anti-.NET are either hardcore anti-MS people or they haven't ever tried to code with .NET.</p> <p>I apologize for singling you out Ryan.</p> It has been a while since I have done PHP, but isn’t the code inline with the markup? I didn’t think it was event driven and therefore the code could not be placed in a separate file.

With the little research I have done on the subject, the people who are anti-.NET are either hardcore anti-MS people or they haven’t ever tried to code with .NET.

I apologize for singling you out Ryan.

]]> By: Ryan Campbell http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21547 Ryan Campbell Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:22:27 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21547 <p>David, just to clarify, I am not of that belief. I just get the impression that "Web 2.0" people feel .NET does not have a place.</p> <p>As for .NET being objected oriented, all of my PHP is objected oriented as well. Code is separated from presentation, and so on. I believe the comparison is valid.</p> David, just to clarify, I am not of that belief. I just get the impression that “Web 2.0” people feel .NET does not have a place.

As for .NET being objected oriented, all of my PHP is objected oriented as well. Code is separated from presentation, and so on. I believe the comparison is valid.

]]> By: David http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21546 David Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:34:42 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21546 <p>"Line of code for line of code, you can pretty much accomplish the same effect in PHP as you can with .NET. There is a general concensus that .NET is clunky, poorly written, and only used by crap deveopers."</p> <p>Huh? When you get to the corporate world, a good percentage of the apps, both online and off, are written in .NET. To say that all .NET developers are "crap developers" is beyond insulting and completely off base.</p> <p>I have written in all sorts of languages, from PHP to JSP to ASP.NET and they all have their place. It just seems so odd to compare PHP which is an inline language to ASP.NET which an object oriented languages that separates the code from the presentation. Talk about your apples and oranges.</p> <p>Does PHP have its place? Absolutely, but in my opinion once you can put a breakpoint in a webpage and step through your code, it is awfully hard to go back to .</p> <p>If you haven't tried .NET, then don't knock it till you have tried it. Visual Studio (even the FREE editions) is miles above any other IDE out there.</p> “Line of code for line of code, you can pretty much accomplish the same effect in PHP as you can with .NET. There is a general concensus that .NET is clunky, poorly written, and only used by crap deveopers.”

Huh? When you get to the corporate world, a good percentage of the apps, both online and off, are written in .NET. To say that all .NET developers are “crap developers” is beyond insulting and completely off base.

I have written in all sorts of languages, from PHP to JSP to ASP.NET and they all have their place. It just seems so odd to compare PHP which is an inline language to ASP.NET which an object oriented languages that separates the code from the presentation. Talk about your apples and oranges.

Does PHP have its place? Absolutely, but in my opinion once you can put a breakpoint in a webpage and step through your code, it is awfully hard to go back to .

If you haven’t tried .NET, then don’t knock it till you have tried it. Visual Studio (even the FREE editions) is miles above any other IDE out there.

]]> By: Andy Kant http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21525 Andy Kant Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:33:23 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21525 <p>Most people who don't give C#/.NET a chance are just Microsoft haters (a.k.a. open-source nazis). C# is easily one of the most well-designed and documented languages ever created. Combine that with Visual Studio (which I don't think any other IDE, even Eclipse, comes close to in quality), and you've got a pretty great environment. Yes, C# is a rip-off of Java, but hey, if it takes Microsoft to perfect it, so be it.</p> <p>That said, I usually only use it for desktop applications because I don't like having a dependency on a Windows server (I usually stick with LAMP). I do often use ASP.NET for commercial work simply for the availability of quality/well-documented third party libraries.</p> <p>RE: Having problems with the technology. For businesses, sending an email to a mailing list isn't an answer. The whole reason that businesses pay for commercial technologies like .NET is that when a problem occurs, there is someone who can be held responsible and can be contacted for support.</p> Most people who don’t give C#/.NET a chance are just Microsoft haters (a.k.a. open-source nazis). C# is easily one of the most well-designed and documented languages ever created. Combine that with Visual Studio (which I don’t think any other IDE, even Eclipse, comes close to in quality), and you’ve got a pretty great environment. Yes, C# is a rip-off of Java, but hey, if it takes Microsoft to perfect it, so be it.

That said, I usually only use it for desktop applications because I don’t like having a dependency on a Windows server (I usually stick with LAMP). I do often use ASP.NET for commercial work simply for the availability of quality/well-documented third party libraries.

RE: Having problems with the technology. For businesses, sending an email to a mailing list isn’t an answer. The whole reason that businesses pay for commercial technologies like .NET is that when a problem occurs, there is someone who can be held responsible and can be contacted for support.

]]> By: Christian Novak http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21519 Christian Novak Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:56:38 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21519 <p>Well done this "political correct" assessment. I really don't care about the language, some scripting languages beeing an exception to this. Important is the development environment and 100% functional enterprise ready libraries. The key is ready, tested and easy to integrate libs in the middle tier. Today, you need to take quick desing decisions, code quickly and countinousely test and integrate. We code in PHP for small web-apps, Java for enterprise portals and .NET for slick looking and highly usable user front ends. They all do their job very well. Open or closed source and price does not matter really at the end. A developer days cost more than a single server license and making an OS dn transactional in your middle tier costs money too.</p> Well done this “political correct” assessment. I really don’t care about the language, some scripting languages beeing an exception to this. Important is the development environment and 100% functional enterprise ready libraries. The key is ready, tested and easy to integrate libs in the middle tier. Today, you need to take quick desing decisions, code quickly and countinousely test and integrate. We code in PHP for small web-apps, Java for enterprise portals and .NET for slick looking and highly usable user front ends. They all do their job very well. Open or closed source and price does not matter really at the end. A developer days cost more than a single server license and making an OS dn transactional in your middle tier costs money too.

]]> By: har http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21518 har Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:57:39 +0000 http://particletree.com/notebook/give-net-a-break/#comment-21518 <p>No one cares which language is better. We all know you won't ever get laid.</p> No one cares which language is better. We all know you won’t ever get laid.

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